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FOR THOMAS, PATRICK, AND ANASTASIA

Don’t bet on it!

It seems appropriate to celebrate St Patrick’s Day by reference to these members of the Irish side of my family. Thomas (Tom) was my grandfather, born in 1878; Patrick was his brother, born in 1885. Anastasia was their younger sister, born in 1893. The two young men, Patrick possibly no older than 15, migrated from their home in Outrath, Kilkenny, around the turn of the century, as described in Chapter One (Hard Times) of my memoir. Anastasia is a bit of a puzzle, appearing in a list of eight children replete with conventional Irish names. Originally, I thought she might have been named after the famous Russian Romanov princess of the same name, but the princess was born in 1901, her Minogue namesake in 1893. If anyone out there can offer an explanation, I’ll be delighted.

The story of Tom Minogue’s settling down to work, marriage, and children (one of these my father Martin Bernard) on the estate of the Catholic aristocratic Mowbray and Stourton family is told in Chapter Two (...and Hard Masters). Buttoday I want to tell a much later story about how my Dad (and Mum) went to visit Ireland for the first time ever in 1971.

We (me, my then wife Lizzie, Dad, and Mum Josephine) travelled more in hope than expectation, since Grandad seemed to have left scant information about his old family haunts, or indeed his family. This was also the first time my parents had been in an aeroplane, a baptism of fire so far as Mum was concerned. When we were told we could remove our seat belts, I turned to look back at them. Mum still had her eyes closed and was clearly in a state of permanent prayer. Dad caught my eye and said, “Have we taken off yet?”

After a night in Dublin to recover, we headed off in a hire car for Kilkenny.  Arriving, we tried ringing various Minogues in the telephone book (you see how ill prepared we were).  Given that Grandad and Patrick had scarcely ever returned there over the intervening six decades, the polite but baffled responses were unsurprising. We decided to sink our sorrows in a local pub. It soon became clear that our very English group was being regarded with a sort of guarded curiosity. A couple of men came over quite deliberately to chat, and I remember feeling a little anxious, reflecting that the English were not likely to be popular just then, given what had been going on in Belfast. I need not have worried. Dad told them why we were there, about his Irish origins, and his usual cheery and open demeanour seemed to allay any suspicions. He was soon the life and soul of the evening. At closing time, we were almost caught flat-footed when everyone rose and struck up ‘The Soldier’s Song’. Happily, Dad knew the rousing words, schooled at his father’s knee, and our new friends wished us well in our search.

Touring the West of Ireland, we found ourselves in Bantry. The highlight here was a race meeting, in a large farmer’s field outside the town. Things seemed both in spirit and practice probably much as my Grandad would have found them in 1900. You paid a couple of pounds to get in, though a large number of people were unwilling to countenance this charge and stood outside along the hedge, jostling for position to view the races for free. Inside was a long oval track marked by oil drums roped together. Inside the oval everything else took place; horses trotted about and were weighed out and in for each race. About six bookies had set up shop. Each employed runners to convey odds and carry back bets for the many people lining the hedges outside. I often wonder if they ever took any winnings back.

The horses were all ridden by jockeys who could not have been more than 14 years old, mostly quite skinny and light. The racegoers were tremendously friendly and informative. One informed us that the horse that had just won the first race would be racing again later but under a different name.  “Don’t spend your money,” he advised, “she’ll be held back”. Sure enough, when the twice-named horse ran again, the jockey visibly stood up and with all his strength held the horse on a tight rein as the others ran past. Ascot it was not, but everybody seemed to be having a good time, punters, trainers and jockeys all trying to outsmart each other. I now understood better why my Irish Grandad always at race meetings parked himself firmly alongside the bookmaker, making sure that he would not run off with the winnings.

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  1. Therese Wallace Therese Wallace

    Hello Martin,
    Well I can confirm that we are indeed related. My grandmother Catherine aka Kate Kiely ( nee Minogue) is your grandads sister.

    I too found it strange that Anastasia was given a non Irish name and that was how I found your blog by googling Anastasia Minogue one evening a few weeks ago for the want of something better to do! My Mum ,Margaret, aka Peggy , referred to her as Aunt Statia . It was only Aunt Statia and an Aunt Mary who I ever heard my Mum talk about along with Aunt Maggie who I often visited as they lived in a cottage down the road from my grandmother in Outrath. I recall going to visit Aunt Mary as a small child in Staines .

    Since then , no doubt you will be pleased to know that I have bought your memoir on Amazon , along with another cousin in America. I expect a few more sales will occur in due course. Kate Minogue , had twelve children and only one is still alive, that’s Alice aged 92 this month. I will be telling her all about you tomorrow when I visit her. She will be fascinated.

    I was in Harrogate at the weekend visiting my cousin .We decided to take a trip to Allerton Castle along with your book. We visited the church which is in great need of restoration but so beautiful. Had a bit of the shivers thinking our ancestors had probably knelt and prayed in there. Leaving the church we turned right and right again taking us up a slight hill and on the left we saw a house which I believe is the one you described where the Butler lived. Very nice too! Further along we came to another farmhouse which we thought might be Homefarm ? Slightly further along and on a bend were two attached cottages. These cottages had been modernised . Left hand cottage had been extended the right hand cottage still small. Were we in the right place , your family home.?

    Anyway as soon as time allows I will look at Tom Minogue ‘research on ancestry.
    By the way did you know more of the Minogue family worked on the Rudding Park Estate. We visited there on Saturday for lunch. Beautiful estate, but there was a wedding going on so we were unable to go in the house or church…. Next time perhaps.

    Hope this is of interest to you.

    Regards,
    Therese

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    • Martin Minogue Martin Minogue

      Hi Therese,

      I’m delighted to discover in you an unknown cousin and also to find that my Grandad Tom’s sister Catherine(Kate) was your Granny , and Anastasia your Aunt. I have replied to you separately on email about all this. Very pleased that you will be buying and reading my memoir which will of course give you much more detail than a blog can. I do hope you enjoy the read.

      I might mention here for any other readers that I recently discovered that Anastasia is not an uncommon name in Catholic families because it can be translated as having the meaning ‘resurrection’. Very best regards Martin

  2. Therese Wallace Therese Wallace

    Hello, I am related to the Kiely’s of Outrath Cottage., Outrath , Kilkenny . Michael and Kate(Minogue) Kiely were my grandparents. A cousin has done some research and I googled Anastasia Minogue as it is an unusual Irish name and your blog appeared.

    • Hello Therese, Delighted you got to my blog, though there is much more detail about my grandparents family in the book itself. Do you know if your grandmother was a sister of Anastasia or some other relation? My cousin Tom Minogue has got a detailed family tree on Ancestry, and might be able to find some more information there. Anyway very much hope we may be distant relations. Best wishes Martin.

  3. Some more information on our ancestors courtesy of Susan Manogue Donk who runs the Manogue (misspelled!) FaceBook page for that group. You will see there are other Anastasias. You will also see that our 2X Great Grandfather Thomas was recorded as a bastard. I thought I was the only Thomas Minogue who had been called that too!
    Here is what Sue wrote:
    Susan Manogue Donk
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    Tree merging! The tree begins with what I am assuming are two sets of siblings who married on the same day in November 1800: Michael Manogue/ Mary Tobin and Margaret Manogue/William Tobin. These Manogues were from Thomastown, Kilkenny.
    Michael & Mary had 8 kids that we know of, Thomas, Mary, James, John, Judith, Michael, Margaret and Honora. We can follow the lines of only Thomas and John (so far).
    Thomas (b1800 in Thomastown, Kilkenny, and yes, recorded as a “bastard”) married Mary Bryan. We know of only two boys so far, “Patsy” and John. John Manogue (b 1846) married Kate Clear. It is John’s line that we can follow changing the spelling to MINOGUE and at least 3 (have read 4) of their children emigrate to Yorkshire, England. Names within include: Brogatzki, Doyle, Dunne, Hawley, Hushen-Pick, Kiely, Mackey, Neill, Rex, Tunstall, Whittaker.
    John (b 1807) married Anastasia Britt. This was my previous Connecticut/Massachusetts tree that now connects with the above branch having since discovered the names of John’s parents. So happy when I can connect trees!
    Now, getting back to the two sets of siblings Michael Manogue/Mary Tobin and Margaret Manogue/William Tobin, Margaret and William had 4 children that we know of but I am not tracing these Tobin children (born in Kilkenny) at this time as I need to move on with my Manogue problem folder. Making lots of progress this year!
    As usual, if any of this sounds familiar give a shout!

    • Sorry Tom, did reply which went astray: afraid I’m a slow learner with this technology. Thanks very much for the enlightenment from the US group. It’s interesting that Anastasia seems to have come into the MINOGUE list by marriage, then nearly 100 years later appears in our Grandad’s siblings, I wonder if by oral transmission over all those years, or by conventional record-keeping. With regard to names, at my grammar school I was soon given the nickname Minnow, which I didn’t at all care for as it reflected my small stature. I had inherited the genes from my small and delicate mother in this respect, rather than the big-boned genes of my Irish grandad Martin

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